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the oldest

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and strongest human emotion is fear

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and the oldest and strongest type of

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fear

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is trepidation of young men

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when we were children our parents told

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us that monsters didn't exist

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but we were sure that something was

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lurking under the bed or in the closet

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fear sees even if our eyes are closed

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welcome to the realm of the arcane my

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name is lon stripler

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join me as i examine unexplained

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creatures

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strange manifestations of remarkable

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realities

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imagine this next hour as a voyage of

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discovery to strange lands

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seeking not for new territory but for

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new knowledge of the supernatural

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come on board as we begin this adventure

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hey folks good evening and welcome to

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another episode of arcane radio

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i'm your host lon strickler and i thank

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you for joining me here on the

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paranormal king radio network

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now before i introduce my guest i want

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to mention an

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encounter account i recently received a

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telephone call

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describing a harrowing account from the

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eyewitness who i'll just call lh

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the incident occurred on the night of

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october 27

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1969 in rolling prairie indiana and

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lh was a young child at the time

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he states that he and his family mother

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father sister and grandmother

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were living in a trailer situated on

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their family's land

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now the trailer has sustained damage on

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the roof leaving a large hole

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the hole was covered with a wide

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waterproof tarp until

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it was going to be repaired now lh and

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his baby sister

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shared a bedroom he was awakened

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by a strange noise and a strong

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disagreeable odor

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now as he looked towards his sister's

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he saw a tall winged humanoid staring

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down at her

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the being slowly turned and looked at a

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horrified lh

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the description was a very tall

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being that was crouched a bit

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las estimates that it stood seven to

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eight foot

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in height the body and face had black

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the leather-like wings were huge and

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shaped like that of that bat our

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gargoyle

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it had muscular detached arms and legs

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the body and face were thin

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and looked like a human skeleton with

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obvious

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sharp teeth the eyes were dark and also

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made a low

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garbled sound now lh screamed in order

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to alert his parents in the adjoining

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but they never responded his grandmother

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was alerted and came to his aid though

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she was stunned at the sight and

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immediately fell to her knees

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the creature picked up lh in his arms

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and made its way into the living room

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where it ascended through the hole in

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the ceiling

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order to gain access into the trailer

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now lh remembers being very cold and wet

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and hearing his grandmother screaming as

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the winged humanoid

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took off into the sky he has no idea how

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long he was gone

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but only remembers waking in his bed

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among his

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panicked parents and grandmother now lh

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states that his grandmother witnessed

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the entire event

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and documented it his living relatives

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since his grandmother recalled what had

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his grandmother passed away in 1985.

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now lh's parents woke at the abduction

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that they were somehow placed into a

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hypnotic state of some type

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until the wing being left the premises

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after several minutes they all heard

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unconscious they were able to bring

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bring lh back into the trailer dry him

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they were reluctant to call the

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authorities to seek medical assistance

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because of a bizarre event

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lh recovered but had has had an

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emotional problems his entire life

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which he attributes to the abduction now

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at the time

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that the or the mothman prophecy's film

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he had a mental breakdown after watching

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it in the theater

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he literally had to leave during the

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scene where the mothman caused

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the automobile crash and death

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he has not attempted to watch film since

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i asked lh why he called me he stated

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that he had received a call from his

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cousin

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who was aware of the winged humanoid

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that's when he was given my contact

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i am currently in the process of

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his relatives i i was able to get uh

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a hold of one and they absolutely

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verified robert in the

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account uh lhc very forthright but he

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was very nervous

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he seemed relieved that there have been

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other witnesses to a similar wing being

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in the indiana state of indiana

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so let's get started with tonight's show

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tonight's guest

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is paranormal investigator and author

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dave spanx

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dave has been researching and

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investigating the paranormal since 1986.

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he retired from a 20-plus year career in

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u.s military and federal law enforcement

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in 2011.

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since that time he has conducted several

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hundred investigations including

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hauntings

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reports reports of strange creatures as

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well as ufo encounters

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his latest book is west virginia bigfoot

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and his website can be found at

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davespinxparanormalinvestigator.com

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dave is also the co-founder of the

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society of the supernatural with his

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colleague researcher

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david weatherly so dave thanks for

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joining me

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hey thanks for having me online so

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you were born and raised in the

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mountains of west virginia

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and i'm sure you've heard a lot of

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stories over the years

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but can you tell us a bit about your

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personal encounter with bigfoot

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yeah um back in 1983 me and my

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grandfather my dad's dad were

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fishing at a local area here that you

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know one of our favorite spots on the

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gauley river and um

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i was only 13 years old at the time and

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my uh you know i i was living in new

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mexico at the time

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with my mom and my stepdad because he

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was in the military

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and that's that's where i really grew up

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i was born here in west virginia

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both sets of my grandparents and all the

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rest of my family were here in west

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virginia my

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dad included and you know i would relish

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got to spend with my grandparents and my

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dad you know we often go hunting and

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i got to come home to visit everybody

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and this was one of those times

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and we were fishing at our one of our

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and we usually would camp out you know

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it had a nice sandy beach and everything

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just a great spot and that particular

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we uh we had caught our limit you know

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of a fish and we had uh

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fried them up on the fire and ate like

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champs we were full

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having a good old time and we were

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sitting in the chair just

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relaxing and out of nowhere

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a giant splash happened out in the

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well we didn't know what caused the

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splash of course it startled us we

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jumped up we were

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looking around trying to figure out what

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it was because it was huge i mean

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it was something very large you know

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because you know you know when something

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hits the water like that it often rains

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down water and that's what it was you

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this huge completion and you can hear

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all the rain just

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coming down from the splash well the

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would very rarely go because of the

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but we did we didn't see anything in the

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water at the time so my grandpa thought

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well maybe one of a rock rolled off the

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over there or a large branch had fallen

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out of one of the trees you know and hit

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the water but

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we didn't see any branch floating so

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that was kind of out of the question

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so after after a few minutes of looking

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around we just chalked it up as a

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whatever you know and we kind of set

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you hear what sounds like something

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crashing through the trees

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and i see a huge boulder type rock

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coming through the trees at an

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upward angle and it comes down and hits

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out in the middle of the water

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well we of course we jump we jump up and

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we're trying to figure out what the

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heck's going on

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i look back for my grandpa and he's

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running for the tent

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like what the heck's going on here and

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then i realized he was gonna want to get

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the shotgun

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so he comes back with the you know the

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old single shot

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shotgun squirrel gun whatever you want

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to call it and um

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he uh yells across the river and says

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you heathen's knocking off or i'm gonna

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so in his mind he's thinking his people

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messing with us you know

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and this rock that i saw was humongous i

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a grown man probably couldn't fit his

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arms all the way around you know that's

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how big it was

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and as he's yelling out you hear this

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just very loud guttural freaking

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roar scream whatever you want to call it

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cracks off a shot over there

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and then you hear the thing scream again

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and then the trees start shaking

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like we're talking 40 50 60 foot you

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trees that are fairly large around you

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know and they start

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shaking violently as this thing's

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screaming and hollering and carrying on

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over there

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well you know and this is the short

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version of the story by the way so

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so he yells at me you know get to the

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truck boy and we

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the truck was about 20 30 yards away i

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run to the truck and it was parked in a

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way where i could

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kind of squat down behind the front

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fender and peek around at what was going

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on

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know five six seven shots over there now

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that point of the river is about 60

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anywhere from

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50 to 75 yards across an old

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shotgun is not going to hurt anything it

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might piss something off but

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you know if it was people would make

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them stand up and pay attention but you

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know

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so as i'm peeking around trying to get a

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look at what whatever the heck it is

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over there

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and my grandfather's you know firing off

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rounds

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over that way i see this large

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hairy you know bipedal creature

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walking up about a 45 degree angle up

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the mountain away from us and i can

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follow it by

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seeing the tree shake i mean this thing

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rip roaring tearing the woods down

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and i only see it from about maybe a

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little bit above the waist

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you know up i don't see the lower part

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of it but you could tell it was walking

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like a man

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and it was just smashing trees as it

329
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went through you know and just

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making one hell of a ruckus well about

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that time

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i looked and my grandpa comes running

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towards me

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i guess that you know he had seen what i

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saw

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and he grabbed me with one arm and threw

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me in the truck from

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his side and i never touched anything i

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just slammed against the passenger side

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and he said we're getting out of here

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boy that's not of god because my

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grandfather was a preacher he's a

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baptist minister for 40 years

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so he peels out of there we're taking

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off up the mountain

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you know just bottoming the truck out i

347
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got my hands in my head and my hand and

348
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my head in my hands thinking that i'm

349
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gonna die because

350
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the truck's gonna break down and that

351
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thing's gonna get us

352
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so we finally make it up out of the

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woods it's about a two mile drive up out

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of there on a really rough dirt road you

355
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know

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wasn't maintained or anything we're

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bottom line now hitting potholes

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and it sounds like pieces of the truck

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are just falling off you know i'm just

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like oh my god something we're gonna

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we're gonna get stranded and that

362
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thing's

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to get us so we finally make it back to

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the hard top we drive around for a while

365
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my grandfather's not

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saying anything and i'm you know i was

367
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scared because he was scared and this

368
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guy

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he's not scared of nothing you know he

370
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stormed the beaches at normandy

371
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i mean he was a medic and in world war

372
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ii he seen everything

373
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you know and and to see him scared

374
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really

375
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scared me even more so we pull off the

376
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road finally after about a half an hour

377
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driving around and he said

378
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son we better not tell no one about this

379
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because they're going to think we're

380
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crazy

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and you know you know

382
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and he was a you know he didn't want his

383
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parishioners thinking he was drinking or

384
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whatever the case may be you know so we

385
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know i never talked about it you know

386
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and

387
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there's kind of a funny side to this

388
00:13:38,629 --> 00:13:36,959
story too so i you know i kept that

389
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quiet all these years but at the same

390
00:13:41,189 --> 00:13:39,519
time

391
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i wanted to know what the heck it was

392
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that i saw and

393
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you know back in those days we didn't

394
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have the luxury of the internet so i was

395
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you know i had to uh search the local

396
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libraries magazine articles and

397
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and newspapers and whatnot and lo and

398
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behold i started coming across

399
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other accounts from people around the

400
00:14:00,470 --> 00:13:58,880
world that have seen something very

401
00:14:03,670 --> 00:14:00,480
similar to what i saw

402
00:14:05,350 --> 00:14:03,680
so i knew what i saw then i wasn't crazy

403
00:14:06,470 --> 00:14:05,360
you know other people had seen this type

404
00:14:08,550 --> 00:14:06,480
of creature

405
00:14:10,870 --> 00:14:08,560
and then i saw you know i didn't even

406
00:14:12,710 --> 00:14:10,880
know i never even heard of the patterson

407
00:14:15,189 --> 00:14:12,720
gimlin film i didn't even know about

408
00:14:17,110 --> 00:14:15,199
bigfoot back then until i started you

409
00:14:19,350 --> 00:14:17,120
know finding out other people had seen

410
00:14:21,670 --> 00:14:19,360
it and then i saw the show in search of

411
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and i was like oh okay there's something

412
00:14:24,710 --> 00:14:23,360
to this you know there's something going

413
00:14:26,790 --> 00:14:24,720
on here

414
00:14:27,829 --> 00:14:26,800
so the funny part of the story is you

415
00:14:29,590 --> 00:14:27,839
know several

416
00:14:31,829 --> 00:14:29,600
uh well it's been about almost three

417
00:14:33,910 --> 00:14:31,839
years ago now he died

418
00:14:36,629 --> 00:14:33,920
and i never told anybody about you know

419
00:14:39,269 --> 00:14:36,639
because i promised him we made a promise

420
00:14:41,030 --> 00:14:39,279
so i i called my uncle up and i said hey

421
00:14:42,629 --> 00:14:41,040
i'm gonna i'm gonna write about

422
00:14:44,069 --> 00:14:42,639
you know something that mean happened to

423
00:14:45,910 --> 00:14:44,079
me and grandpa you know

424
00:14:47,990 --> 00:14:45,920
back in the woods when we were fishing

425
00:14:49,110 --> 00:14:48,000
back in 83 i'm gonna write about it in a

426
00:14:51,509 --> 00:14:49,120
book

427
00:14:53,590 --> 00:14:51,519
and he said oh you're talking about that

428
00:14:55,269 --> 00:14:53,600
time you and papa i saw that monkey man

429
00:14:58,310 --> 00:14:55,279
in the woods

430
00:14:59,110 --> 00:14:58,320
and i'm like what i said you he told you

431
00:15:02,310 --> 00:14:59,120
and he said yeah

432
00:15:04,150 --> 00:15:02,320
he he told me like 20 25 years ago told

433
00:15:05,990 --> 00:15:04,160
me the whole story and he came to me one

434
00:15:07,509 --> 00:15:06,000
day he said hey stanton i gotta get

435
00:15:09,350 --> 00:15:07,519
something off my chest

436
00:15:11,030 --> 00:15:09,360
you know in case something happens to me

437
00:15:11,509 --> 00:15:11,040
i want someone else to know what me and

438
00:15:14,310 --> 00:15:11,519
david

439
00:15:14,710 --> 00:15:14,320
saw that day so here i am keeping that

440
00:15:16,790 --> 00:15:14,720
stuff

441
00:15:17,750 --> 00:15:16,800
secret the whole you know my entire life

442
00:15:20,870 --> 00:15:17,760
almost

443
00:15:22,550 --> 00:15:20,880
and he told my uncle about it so i was

444
00:15:25,269 --> 00:15:22,560
just sitting there dumbfounded

445
00:15:27,750 --> 00:15:25,279
and then my uncle proceeds to tell me

446
00:15:30,949 --> 00:15:27,760
that he and his friends had an encounter

447
00:15:34,710 --> 00:15:30,959
pretty near the same place we did

448
00:15:36,150 --> 00:15:34,720
um many years uh before that when they

449
00:15:38,069 --> 00:15:36,160
were young kids out there

450
00:15:39,829 --> 00:15:38,079
they used to go to this old moonshiners

451
00:15:41,590 --> 00:15:39,839
cave and they would camp out and drink

452
00:15:43,590 --> 00:15:41,600
and carry on and stuff

453
00:15:44,790 --> 00:15:43,600
and then he told me about our uncle

454
00:15:48,230 --> 00:15:44,800
george

455
00:15:51,350 --> 00:15:48,240
who was my grandma's brother

456
00:15:53,110 --> 00:15:51,360
who was in you know several miles away

457
00:15:55,269 --> 00:15:53,120
but pretty much in the same vicinity he

458
00:15:58,310 --> 00:15:55,279
was cutting firewood in that area one

459
00:16:01,590 --> 00:15:58,320
time and he had an encounter with one

460
00:16:03,749 --> 00:16:01,600
so out of nowhere i had all these

461
00:16:05,749 --> 00:16:03,759
reports just from my immediate family

462
00:16:07,030 --> 00:16:05,759
which really blew me away you know and i

463
00:16:08,870 --> 00:16:07,040
was like wow

464
00:16:10,550 --> 00:16:08,880
and then over the years as i you know

465
00:16:11,350 --> 00:16:10,560
investigated and researched more into

466
00:16:13,910 --> 00:16:11,360
this stuff i

467
00:16:15,749 --> 00:16:13,920
started you know get uh accumulating off

468
00:16:17,110 --> 00:16:15,759
these accounts from many people in west

469
00:16:19,590 --> 00:16:17,120
virginia

470
00:16:21,590 --> 00:16:19,600
um friend of friends and you know stuff

471
00:16:22,230 --> 00:16:21,600
like that and i had enough to put in a

472
00:16:25,269 --> 00:16:22,240
book and i

473
00:16:28,069 --> 00:16:25,279
i've got a lot more and that's basically

474
00:16:30,790 --> 00:16:28,079
how the book came about

475
00:16:32,389 --> 00:16:30,800
well that's pretty similar to how i got

476
00:16:34,230 --> 00:16:32,399
interested in it as well because i had

477
00:16:36,470 --> 00:16:34,240
my encounter 81

478
00:16:37,509 --> 00:16:36,480
and of course i heard of bigfoot but you

479
00:16:38,949 --> 00:16:37,519
know

480
00:16:41,749 --> 00:16:38,959
and i had been involved with the

481
00:16:44,790 --> 00:16:41,759
paranormal for a while but i had no

482
00:16:47,990 --> 00:16:44,800
no real intentions of going looking for

483
00:16:49,590 --> 00:16:48,000
cryptids but you know when you see

484
00:16:50,790 --> 00:16:49,600
something like that it makes a big

485
00:16:52,389 --> 00:16:50,800
impression

486
00:16:54,389 --> 00:16:52,399
and of course you want to know what the

487
00:16:57,189 --> 00:16:54,399
hell was you saw

488
00:16:58,870 --> 00:16:57,199
so yeah i can understand it completely

489
00:17:00,949 --> 00:16:58,880
yeah that's really what started me in

490
00:17:03,990 --> 00:17:00,959
the paranormal you know

491
00:17:05,909 --> 00:17:04,000
uh that's what really uh

492
00:17:07,669 --> 00:17:05,919
you know i had to know what the hell it

493
00:17:08,309 --> 00:17:07,679
was i saw and i wanted to know and you

494
00:17:11,350 --> 00:17:08,319
know i wanted

495
00:17:14,870 --> 00:17:11,360
answers what am i crazy or did we

496
00:17:17,829 --> 00:17:14,880
what did we see here you know so it just

497
00:17:20,309 --> 00:17:17,839
you know it landed you know it just set

498
00:17:23,350 --> 00:17:20,319
me on my own path so to speak and uh

499
00:17:26,230 --> 00:17:23,360
been doing it ever since really so what

500
00:17:28,710 --> 00:17:26,240
part of west virginia was this

501
00:17:30,390 --> 00:17:28,720
um it's in nicholas county it's a it's a

502
00:17:33,029 --> 00:17:30,400
river called the gauley river

503
00:17:34,310 --> 00:17:33,039
and it runs into the new river into the

504
00:17:37,510 --> 00:17:34,320
new river gorge

505
00:17:40,070 --> 00:17:37,520
okay i live i now live only

506
00:17:41,990 --> 00:17:40,080
about five a little less than five miles

507
00:17:43,350 --> 00:17:42,000
away from where the encounter happened i

508
00:17:44,470 --> 00:17:43,360
live on top of a mountain in the middle

509
00:17:47,669 --> 00:17:44,480
of the woods and

510
00:17:48,310 --> 00:17:47,679
uh it's very very close and i i'm

511
00:17:50,070 --> 00:17:48,320
actively

512
00:17:51,669 --> 00:17:50,080
researching that area again but you know

513
00:17:53,350 --> 00:17:51,679
after my encounter i didn't go into the

514
00:17:55,190 --> 00:17:53,360
woods for several years and i grew up

515
00:17:58,310 --> 00:17:55,200
hunting and fishing you know and

516
00:17:59,990 --> 00:17:58,320
yeah you know it really uh

517
00:18:01,830 --> 00:18:00,000
it really scared the living hell out of

518
00:18:03,590 --> 00:18:01,840
me because this thing was massive it was

519
00:18:05,750 --> 00:18:03,600
like two of my grandpa was a

520
00:18:07,750 --> 00:18:05,760
huge man he was six foot five it's just

521
00:18:10,630 --> 00:18:07,760
a big hulking man

522
00:18:11,590 --> 00:18:10,640
and this thing was two of him wide and

523
00:18:13,270 --> 00:18:11,600
you know and

524
00:18:15,190 --> 00:18:13,280
i mean when something has enough power

525
00:18:16,070 --> 00:18:15,200
to shake a tree like this thing was

526
00:18:18,789 --> 00:18:16,080
doing

527
00:18:19,190 --> 00:18:18,799
i mean these were huge freaking trees

528
00:18:22,549 --> 00:18:19,200
man

529
00:18:23,350 --> 00:18:22,559
probably at least 12 15 inches around 60

530
00:18:24,549 --> 00:18:23,360
feet tall

531
00:18:26,950 --> 00:18:24,559
and they were shaking like they were

532
00:18:28,470 --> 00:18:26,960
twigs in the air you know and branches

533
00:18:29,430 --> 00:18:28,480
were falling off of them and everything

534
00:18:31,510 --> 00:18:29,440
else and

535
00:18:33,750 --> 00:18:31,520
the sound this thing makes just sends

536
00:18:35,990 --> 00:18:33,760
shivers you know i'll never forget it

537
00:18:36,870 --> 00:18:36,000
you know i used to have nightmares about

538
00:18:39,110 --> 00:18:36,880
it when i was a kid

539
00:18:40,230 --> 00:18:39,120
because of the sound it was so guttural

540
00:18:41,990 --> 00:18:40,240
and so loud and in it

541
00:18:43,669 --> 00:18:42,000
on top of that it echoed through the

542
00:18:46,789 --> 00:18:43,679
canyon you know

543
00:18:49,909 --> 00:18:46,799
and it was just man you don't

544
00:18:54,710 --> 00:18:49,919
you will never mistake that sound

545
00:18:56,950 --> 00:18:54,720
you know i agree i mean it's um

546
00:18:58,870 --> 00:18:56,960
it's definitely a life-changing

547
00:19:00,070 --> 00:18:58,880
experience when you see something like

548
00:19:03,190 --> 00:19:00,080
that

549
00:19:04,710 --> 00:19:03,200
um and you know you're preaching to the

550
00:19:05,990 --> 00:19:04,720
choir because i know exactly what it

551
00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:06,000
feels like

552
00:19:09,750 --> 00:19:08,160
now you know west virginia i mean west

553
00:19:12,470 --> 00:19:09,760
virginia is pretty well known for

554
00:19:14,310 --> 00:19:12,480
for bigfoot sightings i mean there there

555
00:19:15,830 --> 00:19:14,320
have been a lot of reports that come out

556
00:19:18,950 --> 00:19:15,840
throughout the state that

557
00:19:22,710 --> 00:19:18,960
you know what aspects

558
00:19:23,430 --> 00:19:22,720
of uh the the bigfoot that are reported

559
00:19:27,270 --> 00:19:23,440
in

560
00:19:29,110 --> 00:19:27,280
same as anywhere else or

561
00:19:30,470 --> 00:19:29,120
is there there's some bit of a

562
00:19:32,390 --> 00:19:30,480
difference

563
00:19:33,909 --> 00:19:32,400
well i think um if you take a look at

564
00:19:35,110 --> 00:19:33,919
like the bfro

565
00:19:38,710 --> 00:19:35,120
you know and there's some other

566
00:19:40,710 --> 00:19:38,720
reporting sites like the gcbro or

567
00:19:42,230 --> 00:19:40,720
pardon me if i said that wrong but

568
00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:42,240
there's several

569
00:19:46,950 --> 00:19:44,640
internet reporting sites and if you look

570
00:19:47,510 --> 00:19:46,960
at the bfro they've got around a hundred

571
00:19:50,070 --> 00:19:47,520
hundred and

572
00:19:51,669 --> 00:19:50,080
between 105 something like that reports

573
00:19:53,029 --> 00:19:51,679
just in west virginia

574
00:19:55,669 --> 00:19:53,039
and then if you take the other one

575
00:19:58,710 --> 00:19:55,679
they've got i don't know 50 or so

576
00:19:59,190 --> 00:19:58,720
but i myself i've i have at least that

577
00:20:02,470 --> 00:19:59,200
many

578
00:20:05,029 --> 00:20:02,480
people

579
00:20:06,390 --> 00:20:05,039
you know have reports that don't line up

580
00:20:07,990 --> 00:20:06,400
with the same ones

581
00:20:09,669 --> 00:20:08,000
you know that are already reported on

582
00:20:12,390 --> 00:20:09,679
the internet um

583
00:20:13,830 --> 00:20:12,400
you know and then there's lots and lots

584
00:20:16,390 --> 00:20:13,840
of people that have had

585
00:20:17,350 --> 00:20:16,400
uh encounters and they won't they don't

586
00:20:19,350 --> 00:20:17,360
share it with other

587
00:20:20,390 --> 00:20:19,360
folks you know they might tell their

588
00:20:22,549 --> 00:20:20,400
brother-in-law

589
00:20:23,669 --> 00:20:22,559
or you know someone close to them

590
00:20:25,350 --> 00:20:23,679
because people you know

591
00:20:26,870 --> 00:20:25,360
especially in rural areas people are

592
00:20:28,149 --> 00:20:26,880
pretty tight-lipped about stuff like

593
00:20:29,430 --> 00:20:28,159
that and they don't want people coming

594
00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:29,440
in here and they don't want people

595
00:20:34,310 --> 00:20:32,880
thinking they're crazy you know um

596
00:20:35,990 --> 00:20:34,320
and that's what's really compelling

597
00:20:37,350 --> 00:20:36,000
about some of the reports i put in the

598
00:20:39,190 --> 00:20:37,360
book you know these are coming from

599
00:20:41,350 --> 00:20:39,200
police officers

600
00:20:44,310 --> 00:20:41,360
lawyers doctors teachers people that

601
00:20:46,230 --> 00:20:44,320
have something you know reputations to

602
00:20:48,149 --> 00:20:46,240
uh that could be damaged you know by

603
00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:48,159
coming out and going out into the public

604
00:20:51,270 --> 00:20:48,960
and saying

605
00:20:52,390 --> 00:20:51,280
hey i you know one night i saw this

606
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:52,400
freaking

607
00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:54,000
eight foot tall hairy creature in my

608
00:20:56,470 --> 00:20:55,919
backyard or whatever the case may be you

609
00:20:57,909 --> 00:20:56,480
know

610
00:20:59,590 --> 00:20:57,919
so you gotta take that into

611
00:21:03,510 --> 00:20:59,600
consideration when you uh

612
00:21:07,510 --> 00:21:03,520
read these type of reports and whatnot

613
00:21:09,590 --> 00:21:07,520
um what what areas of west virginia

614
00:21:10,630 --> 00:21:09,600
do you consider hot spots now i know for

615
00:21:13,110 --> 00:21:10,640
a fact

616
00:21:14,789 --> 00:21:13,120
i the reports i've received out of west

617
00:21:16,630 --> 00:21:14,799
virginia it seems like

618
00:21:18,549 --> 00:21:16,640
some of the strangest reports come out

619
00:21:21,909 --> 00:21:18,559
of the dalai saads area

620
00:21:23,110 --> 00:21:21,919
now oh yeah i mean i've gotten upright

621
00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:23,120
canines and

622
00:21:26,310 --> 00:21:25,280
other type of cryptid sightings there

623
00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:26,320
but

624
00:21:33,110 --> 00:21:30,000
it seems that that area itself offers a

625
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:33,120
lot of different types of uh

626
00:21:38,149 --> 00:21:36,240
cryptid sightings yeah i think i think

627
00:21:40,470 --> 00:21:38,159
you know west virginia in general is a

628
00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:40,480
small state you know and a number of

629
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:42,720
the number of reported sightings is

630
00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:44,000
actually really high

631
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:46,559
for such a small you know state but you

632
00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:48,240
got to take into account the state in

633
00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:48,880
general

634
00:21:52,470 --> 00:21:52,159
also is very rural and very mountainous

635
00:21:55,510 --> 00:21:52,480
and

636
00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:55,520
very remote in some places now the area

637
00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:57,600
the area you're talking about is dolly

638
00:22:00,870 --> 00:21:58,720
saads and that's

639
00:22:02,390 --> 00:22:00,880
lies right in the heart of the manga

640
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:02,400
gila national forest

641
00:22:08,070 --> 00:22:05,200
right the monk gila is a very very

642
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:08,080
remote and rugged area of the state

643
00:22:11,350 --> 00:22:10,960
it's a huge expanse of land and there

644
00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:11,360
are

645
00:22:15,510 --> 00:22:13,760
literally thousands of cave systems

646
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:15,520
there are plenty of there's plenty of

647
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:17,760
cover and food for an animal such as

648
00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:19,200
bigfoot to survive

649
00:22:25,029 --> 00:22:22,960
there's you know um that's where they

650
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:25,039
basically take all the problematic bears

651
00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:26,480
and they dump them you know

652
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:28,400
take them out of the suburban areas and

653
00:22:32,470 --> 00:22:30,559
whatnot and is that right

654
00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:32,480
oh yeah they take all the bears out

655
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:34,000
there and dump them off there because

656
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:34,799
it's such

657
00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:37,919
so remote you know um and

658
00:22:42,789 --> 00:22:40,480
um they're you know it's just a it's a

659
00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:42,799
huge experience and dolly sausage yes

660
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:45,039
does have a very large amount of reports

661
00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:46,799
of bigfoot that whole area

662
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:48,880
over in there is just one of them one of

663
00:22:51,270 --> 00:22:50,880
those areas that have reports of pretty

664
00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:51,280
much

665
00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:55,360
everything um uh dogman you know bigfoot

666
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:57,919
uh goat i've even got a few goat man

667
00:23:01,990 --> 00:22:59,520
sightings in that area but you know some

668
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:02,000
of those could be mistaken identities uh

669
00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:03,760
someone saw a bigfoot thought it was a

670
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:05,360
dog man or vice versa

671
00:23:10,549 --> 00:23:08,400
you know but bigfoot has a hole in west

672
00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:10,559
virginia is literally you know

673
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:12,880
all around the state you know that's of

674
00:23:15,909 --> 00:23:14,159
course i think the mon

675
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:15,919
as i call it the monk hilo national

676
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:18,400
forest is a very hot spot

677
00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:21,600
um up north on the border of pa

678
00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:24,559
in west virginia chestnut ridge area

679
00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:25,520
chestnut

680
00:23:29,430 --> 00:23:27,679
runs right into morgantown right on the

681
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:29,440
outskirts of morgantown

682
00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:31,440
there's a lot of reports at cooper's

683
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:34,159
rock and all that area up there

684
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:37,360
there's also a lot of reports down here

685
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:40,320
in the um southern counties south

686
00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:42,080
southeastern counties

687
00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:44,960
uh like greenbrier county pocahontas

688
00:23:47,590 --> 00:23:46,720
county has a bunch and all these

689
00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:47,600
counties lie

690
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:50,320
right on the on the edge and some are

691
00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:51,039
right in

692
00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:53,200
the manga gila national forest even

693
00:23:56,549 --> 00:23:54,799
monroe county down the border of

694
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:56,559
virginia has a lot of accounts and

695
00:24:00,310 --> 00:23:56,880
there's

696
00:24:02,470 --> 00:24:00,320
a really good one in my book um a man

697
00:24:04,149 --> 00:24:02,480
you know woke up one morning fresh snow

698
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:04,159
on the ground and there's a single uh

699
00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:06,320
trackway going right coming out of his

700
00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:08,320
cow pasture going right past his house

701
00:24:13,269 --> 00:24:10,000
under a clothesline

702
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:13,279
um and the tracks were like he had a

703
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:15,039
he has a big walking stick he carries

704
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:16,559
and he laid it down next to the tracks

705
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:18,000
you can see it in the book

706
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:20,480
i think it was 67 inches apart the

707
00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:21,360
spread

708
00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:24,640
on this thing it was long yeah it was

709
00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:28,240
huge and they actually recovered a tuft

710
00:24:31,269 --> 00:24:29,279
of hair

711
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:31,279
on the clothes line because the thing

712
00:24:34,950 --> 00:24:32,799
had actually grabbed a hold of

713
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:34,960
clothesline and went underneath of it

714
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:37,760
and they turned it in and there was

715
00:24:41,190 --> 00:24:39,600
police officers involved and everything

716
00:24:42,149 --> 00:24:41,200
they turned it in and never heard

717
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:42,159
anything back

718
00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:44,880
this and got no information no response

719
00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:45,760
after numerous

720
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:47,200
inquiries because they were trying to

721
00:24:50,950 --> 00:24:49,440
get a dna sample off of it but

722
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:50,960
the local veterinarian and everything

723
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:53,520
was involved and it goes to show you

724
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:53,840
that

725
00:24:57,029 --> 00:24:55,440
to me it's one of those cover-up

726
00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:57,039
situations again

727
00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:00,240
oh yeah well i know about that

728
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:03,520
yeah so uh

729
00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:05,919
what why don't you give us another

730
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:07,279
account that's probably

731
00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:08,799
that's one of your favorites out of the

732
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:11,120
book oh yeah

733
00:25:14,470 --> 00:25:14,000
um one of my one of the most bizarre

734
00:25:15,990 --> 00:25:14,480
ones

735
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:16,000
is from a friend of mine who's another

736
00:25:21,669 --> 00:25:18,320
bigfoot researcher in the state

737
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:21,679
um his name's chris allen and he was

738
00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:23,919
him and his ex-wife his ex-wife was a

739
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:25,600
naturalist worked for the state and they

740
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:26,400
camped out

741
00:25:30,149 --> 00:25:29,039
all the time i'm talking all all times

742
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:30,159
of the year out in the middle of the

743
00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:31,440
boondocks

744
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:34,240
in the snow and everything and one of

745
00:25:39,029 --> 00:25:35,520
the accounts in the book you

746
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:39,039
gave me was really just mind-blowing and

747
00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:40,559
you've probably heard some accounts like

748
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:43,760
this from other states and whatnot but

749
00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:46,559
anyway as it goes him and his wife went

750
00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:48,559
out to an area

751
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:51,679
and a camping area and it was it wasn't

752
00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:52,720
a remote area

753
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:55,520
but it was a location uh where people

754
00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:56,720
camped but it was in the middle of the

755
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:57,360
winter and

756
00:26:01,510 --> 00:25:59,120
nobody was there so they pitched the

757
00:26:03,350 --> 00:26:01,520
tent and he said right away his two dogs

758
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:03,360
were always happy go lucky were acting

759
00:26:06,549 --> 00:26:04,559
very very strange

760
00:26:08,789 --> 00:26:06,559
out of the norm they didn't want to run

761
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:08,799
around and carry you know play like dogs

762
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:10,640
do and they they just want it in their

763
00:26:13,750 --> 00:26:12,159
little box that he kept them in the

764
00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:13,760
winter time to keep them warm

765
00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:15,520
so he opened in the box and they hopped

766
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:17,600
in and they didn't come out

767
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:18,960
and there was about a foot and a half of

768
00:26:22,830 --> 00:26:21,039
snow on the ground and

769
00:26:24,149 --> 00:26:22,840
so he he got his tent set up and

770
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:24,159
everything

771
00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:28,080
and they went to bed for the night and

772
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:30,080
in the middle of the night he heard all

773
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:32,720
this ruckus going on outside

774
00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:34,559
and as he's laying there he was about to

775
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:36,159
get up and he looked over at his wife

776
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:36,960
and she was

777
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:38,720
laying there in the tent you know next

778
00:26:41,110 --> 00:26:40,799
to him and her eyes were very wide-eyed

779
00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:41,120
and

780
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:53,440
chest

781
00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:56,559
well anyway they didn't move

782
00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:57,679
they didn't get out they didn't know

783
00:27:01,510 --> 00:26:59,679
what to do

784
00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:01,520
waited till the crack in the you know he

785
00:27:05,269 --> 00:27:02,799
kind of like smacked the

786
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:05,279
at the tent and the hand just let off

787
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:06,080
and nothing else

788
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:08,159
happened so they waited till the crack

789
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:09,600
of dawn

790
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:12,400
he started peeking his head out and he

791
00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:13,120
started seeing

792
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:15,520
all these deer tracks around his tent

793
00:27:17,909 --> 00:27:16,400
and there was

794
00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:17,919
just a he looks it looked like a whole

795
00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:20,080
herd of deer had come through there then

796
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:21,760
he started noticing what looked

797
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:24,640
like human bare foot tracks all around

798
00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:25,840
and they were huge

799
00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:29,679
15 15 or 15 18 inches he said

800
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:31,120
roughly he was just guesstimating

801
00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:32,720
because he didn't have you know a ruler

802
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:34,240
with him or anything

803
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:35,919
so he starts looking around and he said

804
00:27:40,389 --> 00:27:37,679
the dogs would still not come out of the

805
00:27:42,389 --> 00:27:40,399
box they were whimpering and whining

806
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:42,399
and he starts looking around and he said

807
00:27:45,269 --> 00:27:44,559
man something's just not right here and

808
00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:45,279
they uh

809
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:46,880
they started packing up their gear and

810
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:49,279
stuff and

811
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:51,760
he saw something laying off the side of

812
00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:53,520
the you know the camp there and he

813
00:27:57,430 --> 00:27:54,240
walked over

814
00:27:59,909 --> 00:27:57,440
and he found a doji ear laying there

815
00:28:01,830 --> 00:27:59,919
with steam still coming out of her mouth

816
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:01,840
and there was like a football

817
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:08,870
and he said it was he said man it

818
00:28:10,870 --> 00:28:10,320
freaked him out he didn't know what to

819
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:10,880
do

820
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:13,360
and he just he knew right then and there

821
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:15,360
that it seemed like to him

822
00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:18,000
that the bigfoot were possibly hunting

823
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:18,559
deer

824
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:20,880
and he got he just hauled they hauled

825
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:22,080
blood out of there they packed their

826
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:23,279
gear up and left

827
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:24,720
because they they felt like something

828
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:26,240
was watching them you know and they were

829
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:26,880
like

830
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:28,320
and they were just they were out of

831
00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:30,320
there and that's a really startling

832
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:31,919
account because you hear all these

833
00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:34,080
accounts of bigfoot's killing deer

834
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:38,240
for food and whatnot so you know

835
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:40,080
and that happened right here in west

836
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:42,480
virginia as well

837
00:28:46,470 --> 00:28:45,600
well you know um when you were you

838
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:46,480
talked about the

839
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:48,480
the chestnut ridge and that whole area

840
00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:49,760
runs down into

841
00:28:53,909 --> 00:28:52,080
from uh westmoreland county down south

842
00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:53,919
into west virginia

843
00:29:00,310 --> 00:28:57,840
um now yeah i'm pretty sure you're aware

844
00:29:01,990 --> 00:29:00,320
of other activity i mean especially ufo

845
00:29:02,710 --> 00:29:02,000
activity associated with bigfoot

846
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:02,720
sightings

847
00:29:06,149 --> 00:29:04,320
have you run across a lot of that in

848
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:06,159
west virginia

849
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:08,640
um i've got several accounts from folks

850
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:10,320
over the years that uh

851
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:12,960
had either saw a ufo and then had a

852
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:13,919
bigfoot encounter

853
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:16,559
or vice versa they saw a bigfoot and

854
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:18,880
then saw strange lights in the sky

855
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:21,440
so it just makes you wonder that uh is

856
00:29:26,950 --> 00:29:23,919
there some kind of correlation or

857
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:26,960
uh are they are they related you know is

858
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:30,000
are are these things ets or are

859
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:32,559
ets watching them as well we don't know

860
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:33,520
you know

861
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:36,640
it's pretty fascinating stuff

862
00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:39,120
yeah there does seem to be some

863
00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:41,679
correlation there i mean

864
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:43,520
the more and more that we've been

865
00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:45,360
looking into cryptid activity and i'm

866
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:47,440
just not talking about bigfoot

867
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:50,640
uh there does seem to be a connection

868
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:51,840
somehow

869
00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:55,039
with other type of paranormal activity i

870
00:29:58,470 --> 00:29:55,360
hear

871
00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:58,480
more researchers and investigators talk

872
00:30:03,430 --> 00:29:59,840
about that

873
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:03,440
uh orb activity associated with bigfoot

874
00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:05,039
sightings

875
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:08,559
uh ufo activity

876
00:30:12,789 --> 00:30:10,880
it just seems you know and you know it's

877
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:12,799
it's interesting because you know years

878
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:13,520
ago

879
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:16,080
you didn't hear a whole lot about that

880
00:30:20,549 --> 00:30:17,200
but you don't see

881
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:20,559
now for whatever reason it's either

882
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:22,320
people are being more observant or

883
00:30:28,710 --> 00:30:23,039
they're

884
00:30:30,549 --> 00:30:28,720
associated with the sighting but there

885
00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:30,559
does seem to be more of that coming you

886
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:32,159
know coming forward

887
00:30:36,149 --> 00:30:34,240
yeah i think a lot of that lawn would be

888
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:36,159
um you know back in the old days you've

889
00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:38,240
been around a while you know

890
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:40,960
you couldn't do both you were either you

891
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:43,440
were either a ufo researcher or slash

892
00:30:47,909 --> 00:30:45,600
investigator or a bigfoot guy

893
00:30:49,909 --> 00:30:47,919
yeah and you know if you tried to talk

894
00:30:51,029 --> 00:30:49,919
about the two in the same sentence to

895
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:51,039
the wrong people

896
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:53,440
i mean they would get really irate you

897
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:54,399
know

898
00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:57,919
um and now thankfully it's coming to a

899
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:58,960
point where

900
00:31:02,830 --> 00:31:00,720
people are starting to notice there's a

901
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:02,840
lot of similarities and a lot of

902
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:06,000
crossover you know with these type of uh

903
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:08,480
encounters and sightings and stuff so

904
00:31:10,950 --> 00:31:09,360
folks are finally

905
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:10,960
starting to think outside the box a

906
00:31:14,549 --> 00:31:12,880
little bit better uh

907
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:14,559
and seeing if there is some kind of

908
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:17,440
relation between these things

909
00:31:22,389 --> 00:31:20,159
well and and also i mean there just

910
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:22,399
seems to be um

911
00:31:27,190 --> 00:31:25,120
oh i don't know you know do you look at

912
00:31:30,230 --> 00:31:27,200
the uh you look at the situation

913
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:30,240
or the theories about bigfoot itself uh

914
00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:32,159
as being either flesh and blood

915
00:31:36,149 --> 00:31:33,279
indigenous

916
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:36,159
or some type of supernatural being there

917
00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:38,080
used to be a point where

918
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:40,720
you very rarely can get anybody to agree

919
00:31:43,269 --> 00:31:42,000
with your talk to you about the

920
00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:43,279
supernatural

921
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:45,600
possibilities but i think more and more

922
00:31:49,669 --> 00:31:46,559
researchers are

923
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:49,679
getting to be open-minded about it and

924
00:31:54,389 --> 00:31:51,600
it seems to be a little more accepted

925
00:31:56,230 --> 00:31:54,399
now as compared to what it used to be

926
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:56,240
oh yeah absolutely and then you know you

927
00:31:59,830 --> 00:31:58,559
have more encounters and reports coming

928
00:32:01,590 --> 00:31:59,840
in from people that

929
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:01,600
have claimed to have seen a bigfoot

930
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:03,120
walking in the woods

931
00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:05,600
and simply go behind a tree and

932
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:06,399
disappear

933
00:32:10,549 --> 00:32:08,960
and their trackway stops and everything

934
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:10,559
so you know you have to take those some

935
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:11,760
of those reports into

936
00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:14,960
uh consideration like that does it have

937
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:16,960
supernatural abilities is it from

938
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:18,880
another dimension is it an e.t

939
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:21,039
we don't know you know that's why what

940
00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:22,240
we're all doing we're trying to find

941
00:32:28,230 --> 00:32:24,799
answers is the puzzle you know

942
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:28,240
uh now in in your time investigating in

943
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:30,960
west virginia where anywhere else

944
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:33,600
what have you come across any uh

945
00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:34,640
distinctive

946
00:32:39,509 --> 00:32:38,720
physical uh evidence um i've got a few

947
00:32:43,669 --> 00:32:39,519
tracks

948
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:43,679
um that that i consider legit um

949
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:46,399
some you know some folks they'll call

950
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:48,000
you up and they'll say hey i got this

951
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:49,679
these weird tracks in my yard or

952
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:50,960
whatever the case you go out and check

953
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:51,519
them out

954
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:53,440
and they turn out to be just uh bear

955
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:56,000
tracks one one inside the other one

956
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:58,720
um yeah i've got a few castings of of

957
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:00,000
tracks here in the state

958
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:03,840
and uh a few picks and stuff like that

959
00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:05,200
i've never seen

960
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:08,480
any um actually like you know

961
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:10,799
i wish i could come across a tuft of

962
00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:12,720
hair or something that i could

963
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:15,519
say was definitely bigfoot but uh and

964
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:16,799
get it turned in but

965
00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:18,559
unfortunately i haven't come across any

966
00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:20,399
of that yet like i said i was involved

967
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:21,919
with that case where they turned in the

968
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:22,720
one

969
00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:25,840
um down there in monroe county and never

970
00:33:31,269 --> 00:33:27,840
got a single word

971
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:31,279
or anything back with anything on it

972
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:34,000
and their calls and emails are just

973
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:35,919
disregarded never answered

974
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:38,399
right so you know it's very it's highly

975
00:33:41,190 --> 00:33:39,679
suspicious

976
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:41,200
you know at least they could tell them

977
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:42,640
something but they wouldn't tell them

978
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:43,440
anything

979
00:33:47,029 --> 00:33:44,880
like if they could have said no it was a

980
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:47,039
bear or was this or was that

981
00:33:50,789 --> 00:33:49,760
but nothing you know that's highly

982
00:33:55,509 --> 00:33:50,799
suspect to me

983
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:55,519
you know so if someone wanted to

984
00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:58,000
what's up like that a lot of weird tree

985
00:34:01,269 --> 00:33:59,279
breaks and uh

986
00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:01,279
a few structures i've come across in the

987
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:03,120
woods stuff like that

988
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:06,000
so you know the the typical stuff

989
00:34:11,430 --> 00:34:07,600
everyone seems to find

990
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:11,440
but as of yet no hard hard evidence

991
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:15,280
yeah well you know it was if somebody

992
00:34:20,069 --> 00:34:17,280
was interested

993
00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:20,079
in going out and and investigating

994
00:34:23,349 --> 00:34:20,800
bigfoot

995
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:23,359
say they came to you and asked you well

996
00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:24,639
what should i do

997
00:34:29,909 --> 00:34:27,280
what should i expect what would you say

998
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:31,669
i say well i hope you got a whole lot of

999
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:35,359
time and money

1000
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:38,960
no it's not it's just something you you

1001
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:41,200
aren't getting paid for or ever should

1002
00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:42,960
plan to make any money off of

1003
00:34:48,149 --> 00:34:46,320
absolutely yeah i mean you know

1004
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:48,159
it's it's a fun thing to do the first

1005
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:50,159
thing i would recommend recommend is get

1006
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:51,359
with some folks that

1007
00:34:55,109 --> 00:34:53,040
have been doing it for a while you know

1008
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:55,119
kind of tag along and watch how they do

1009
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:56,960
things and uh formulate your own

1010
00:35:01,030 --> 00:34:58,560
opinions and

1011
00:35:01,829 --> 00:35:01,040
you know go with them and learn you know

1012
00:35:03,910 --> 00:35:01,839
just

1013
00:35:05,349 --> 00:35:03,920
do more listening than talking you know

1014
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:05,359
and see how things are done

1015
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:07,680
and you know there's a whole there's a

1016
00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:09,440
whole bunch of different things you know

1017
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:10,400
you have to know how to

1018
00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:12,640
interview folks you have to ask the

1019
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:14,640
right type of questions

1020
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:17,200
to these folks you know and then you

1021
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:18,240
need to have

1022
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:21,440
a a good background in in tracking i

1023
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:22,079
would say

1024
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:25,359
you know what to look for and what to uh

1025
00:35:29,829 --> 00:35:28,480
know what is legit and what is something

1026
00:35:31,990 --> 00:35:29,839
you know what's the difference between a

1027
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:32,000
bear track and a bigfoot

1028
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:33,440
stuff like that you know you need to

1029
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:35,520
know the basics of some of that stuff at

1030
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:36,400
least

1031
00:35:40,710 --> 00:35:38,720
and um you know do a lot of reading you

1032
00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:40,720
know i mean that's about the tips i

1033
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:42,160
could give someone

1034
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:45,040
um read read read man and get with folks

1035
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:46,400
that have been doing it a while i mean

1036
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:47,839
that's only you know really all

1037
00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:51,359
you can do right so

1038
00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:54,240
what's your personal opinion on the

1039
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:55,920
paraphysic

1040
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:59,040
aspects of a bigfoot are the theories do

1041
00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:00,880
you believe that

1042
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:03,359
it's all flesh and blood some is flesh

1043
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:04,320
and blood or

1044
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:06,880
they're supernatural you know this is a

1045
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:09,200
supernatural being

1046
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:12,480
well i'm still formulating my opinion on

1047
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:12,960
that

1048
00:36:17,829 --> 00:36:15,920
lon but i think uh what i saw was a

1049
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:17,839
flesh and blood creature

1050
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:20,000
that may have uh some type of

1051
00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:22,240
supernatural abilities whatever they may

1052
00:36:26,230 --> 00:36:22,720
be

1053
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:26,240
you know um i mean i saw the thing until

1054
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:27,119
it disappeared

1055
00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:30,480
into the thicket you know and i didn't

1056
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:32,000
see any supernatural

1057
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:35,200
uh powers if you will

1058
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:37,200
or whatever you want to call it um when

1059
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:38,560
i saw my mind but

1060
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:40,160
you gotta remember too i was a 13 year

1061
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:41,760
old boy and i was scared out of my witch

1062
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:42,800
i didn't i wasn't even

1063
00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:44,079
i just wanted to get the hell out of

1064
00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:47,200
there so over the years you know hearing

1065
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:48,800
all these other reports from folks you

1066
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:49,119
know

1067
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:52,240
having seen them disappear and then you

1068
00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:53,599
talk about you know

1069
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:55,599
people seeing uh strange lights in the

1070
00:36:59,349 --> 00:36:57,599
sky and everything else when these

1071
00:37:01,349 --> 00:36:59,359
things are being seen

1072
00:37:03,109 --> 00:37:01,359
then you know you gotta kind of step

1073
00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:03,119
back and say whoa you know

1074
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:05,119
what is this thing you know and there's

1075
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:06,800
many different takes on that from many

1076
00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:08,960
different researchers and investigators

1077
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:11,119
um some people think it's some sort of

1078
00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:12,079
uh

1079
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:14,400
native american spirit that is a

1080
00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:15,520
protector of the

1081
00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:17,839
of the woods some people think it's an

1082
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:19,520
interdimensional creature some people

1083
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:21,119
think it's an et and some people think

1084
00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:22,800
it's the missing link between man and

1085
00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:23,440
nate

1086
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:26,000
so you know i'm not sure what the hell

1087
00:37:29,589 --> 00:37:28,000
it is i'm just trying to

1088
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:29,599
you know i'm doing my thing trying to

1089
00:37:35,829 --> 00:37:32,560
find answers like everyone else

1090
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:35,839
yeah i mean you know i guess i've come

1091
00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:37,440
maybe full circle

1092
00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:41,119
as as far as what you know my thoughts

1093
00:37:44,710 --> 00:37:42,800
have been on bigfoot you know when i

1094
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:44,720
first had the encounter

1095
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:47,280
and that was an 81 you know i was all

1096
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:49,520
flushing blood i figured

1097
00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:51,599
i mean it did i saw this thing and i

1098
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:54,240
figured well you know this thing is real

1099
00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:57,359
and i had

1100
00:38:01,349 --> 00:37:59,599
i wasn't even thinking about this thing

1101
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:01,359
being possibly something

1102
00:38:04,790 --> 00:38:03,359
other than a flesh and blood being but

1103
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:04,800
you know

1104
00:38:10,710 --> 00:38:07,440
after all these years of re receiving

1105
00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:10,720
reports and people talking to people

1106
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:14,880
uh you really start to question it

1107
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:17,119
yeah they're just too much they're just

1108
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:18,160
too much

1109
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:21,440
anecdotal evidence and it is anecdotal

1110
00:38:25,030 --> 00:38:21,760
but

1111
00:38:27,430 --> 00:38:25,040
it's it's still evidence right and

1112
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:27,440
some of it is so weird and so hard to

1113
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:29,280
believe

1114
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:31,440
uh you get somebody says they'd be

1115
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:33,280
fouling and it just suddenly disappeared

1116
00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:35,040
and there's no way in hell

1117
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:36,880
this thing ducked behind a tree or got

1118
00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:38,960
some place where they didn't see it

1119
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:42,160
or you you'd follow a track line and it

1120
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:43,520
just suddenly ends like the things

1121
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:45,440
sprouted wings and took off

1122
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:47,920
i mean this this is the kind of stuff

1123
00:38:54,630 --> 00:38:49,440
you hear

1124
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:54,640
and it makes you wonder

1125
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:56,560
yeah and you know these reports are like

1126
00:39:00,150 --> 00:38:57,839
i said they're coming from credible

1127
00:39:03,190 --> 00:39:00,160
people like law enforcement officers

1128
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:03,200
uh and whatnot you know that uh really

1129
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:03,599
have

1130
00:39:07,829 --> 00:39:06,400
nothing to gain by uh you know sharing

1131
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:07,839
their encounters and their sightings of

1132
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:08,880
these things

1133
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:11,200
they're just as uh stumped as as the

1134
00:39:14,790 --> 00:39:12,560
rest of us when they

1135
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:14,800
you know when they had their encounter

1136
00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:15,599
and

1137
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:17,280
you know when they tell you things like

1138
00:39:20,950 --> 00:39:18,880
that you have to stand up and pay

1139
00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:20,960
attention to it

1140
00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:22,640
yeah there's just a lot of it out there

1141
00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:26,079
i mean you just kind of wonder what

1142
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:28,480
and you know and this is another thing i

1143
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:29,520
mean we

1144
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:31,520
butch and i which wilkowski and i have

1145
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:33,680
been working on these uh

1146
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:35,520
these upright canine societies up here

1147
00:39:38,470 --> 00:39:37,119
in pennsylvania of course we're getting

1148
00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:38,480
you know you get the dogma

1149
00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:40,880
upright canine sightings in a lot of

1150
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:42,160
different places

1151
00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:43,839
and there's a lot down in west virginia

1152
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:46,880
too but you wonder now

1153
00:39:51,109 --> 00:39:49,520
how many if some of the sightings people

1154
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:51,119
are are getting

1155
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:54,000
or a misidentification i mean if it if

1156
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:54,560
it was

1157
00:40:01,829 --> 00:39:59,280
actually a bigfoot

1158
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:01,839
right and you know you know to me

1159
00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:04,240
primarily most of my encounters seem to

1160
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:05,920
have been reported you know as being at

1161
00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:07,520
night um

1162
00:40:12,150 --> 00:40:09,760
and you know that that's very easy with

1163
00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:12,160
shadows and and stuff like that to

1164
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:14,720
you know think you saw something and it

1165
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:16,160
may have looked like a

1166
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:20,000
wolf man or a dog because of the shadow

1167
00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:22,480
play involved you know most people here

1168
00:40:26,069 --> 00:40:24,160
live out like say where i live out in

1169
00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:26,079
the out in the mountains

1170
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:28,640
mountainous areas they all have dust

1171
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:29,200
dated

1172
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:32,079
dust daylight lights you know and they

1173
00:40:36,109 --> 00:40:34,240
create a lot of shadows around the trees

1174
00:40:38,309 --> 00:40:36,119
so you know yeah it definitely could be

1175
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:38,319
misidentification in some cases but not

1176
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:39,520
always you know

1177
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:41,440
it just is what it is you have to take

1178
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:42,560
all that into account

1179
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:44,720
and um you know they might have saw they

1180
00:40:49,349 --> 00:40:45,839
thought they it had a

1181
00:40:50,309 --> 00:40:49,359
you know a tainted type nose and face on

1182
00:40:52,309 --> 00:40:50,319
it but it could have been

1183
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:52,319
a shadow as well you know it's just hard

1184
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:54,400
to say

1185
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:56,720
unless you got the thing five feet in

1186
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:58,240
front of your vehicle and it's standing

1187
00:41:01,589 --> 00:41:00,079
there looking you in the face then

1188
00:41:04,230 --> 00:41:01,599
you know there's always that chance of a

1189
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:04,240
misidentification of something

1190
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:06,400
well why don't you give us another

1191
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:08,400
account that uh

1192
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:14,710
i there's one that's another favorite of

1193
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:16,640
mine and it comes from a three-year-old

1194
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:17,760
little boy now

1195
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:19,680
a three-year-old little boy would not

1196
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:21,760
know anything about a bigfoot

1197
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:24,800
or what it was you know that he saw

1198
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:28,000
he just told everyone what he saw right

1199
00:41:32,630 --> 00:41:31,040
and the story is right here in uh

1200
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:32,640
right down the road in richwood west

1201
00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:34,880
virginia when he saw this thing he was

1202
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:36,560
three he was almost four

1203
00:41:41,349 --> 00:41:39,599
um and his mom his house and his

1204
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:41,359
grandpa's house were basically right

1205
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:42,800
next door to each other

1206
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:44,400
and he would go you know he would play

1207
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:45,920
and this this encounter happened during

1208
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:47,280
the day too

1209
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:49,680
um he would play and run back and forth

1210
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:51,359
from his grandpa's house to his house

1211
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:52,880
they were right there you know 20 feet

1212
00:41:57,030 --> 00:41:54,240
away or whatever

1213
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:57,040
well between the houses the mountain

1214
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:57,920
went up behind the

1215
00:42:01,910 --> 00:41:59,760
you know behind their houses and there

1216
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:01,920
was a an old logging road there behind

1217
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:03,920
the house and whatnot

1218
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:06,480
and he was out there playing and one

1219
00:42:08,790 --> 00:42:07,280
evening it was

1220
00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:08,800
you know still daylight plenty of

1221
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:10,319
daylight left

1222
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:13,440
and he uh

1223
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:16,560
saw what he reported as being a

1224
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:19,680
large hairy man looking at him covered

1225
00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:20,240
in hair

1226
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:22,400
and he freaked out and he went screaming

1227
00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:23,680
home you know and

1228
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:26,319
he to this day he does not play outside

1229
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:27,359
by himself

1230
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:29,119
and he's about eight years seven or

1231
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:30,720
eight years old now

1232
00:42:35,510 --> 00:42:33,440
and you know his whole account was

1233
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:35,520
describing that bigfoot he said it was

1234
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:37,359
bigger than his dad and his grandpa

1235
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:40,640
it was covered in uh brownish red hair

1236
00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:43,440
and uh it was standing there looking at

1237
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:45,040
him

1238
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:50,400
uh and i've been i actually talked to

1239
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:51,839
the kid and interviewed him and you know

1240
00:42:54,790 --> 00:42:52,800
you could tell

1241
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:54,800
i mean he was telling the truth he he

1242
00:42:58,309 --> 00:42:56,960
still will tell he'd describe it exactly

1243
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:58,319
the same as he did when he was that

1244
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:00,800
little today

1245
00:43:06,950 --> 00:43:03,920
so you know you you talk about

1246
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:06,960
a child and experience with bigfoot i

1247
00:43:11,349 --> 00:43:08,720
have to go back to that

1248
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:11,359
that recent encounter with a boy down in

1249
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:12,079
north carolina

1250
00:43:17,589 --> 00:43:15,119
was lost oh yeah and he told everybody

1251
00:43:18,550 --> 00:43:17,599
that he he was actually rescued by a

1252
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:18,560
bear

1253
00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:21,599
now you know

1254
00:43:24,790 --> 00:43:23,440
i don't know what to really think about

1255
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:24,800
it

1256
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:31,599
or some hairy alien of some type but i

1257
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:33,520
don't believe he was a bear

1258
00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:35,280
no a bear would have ate him being that

1259
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:36,560
little

1260
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:38,160
even being a black bear he would have

1261
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:40,400
took it you know you took him out

1262
00:43:46,150 --> 00:43:44,160
yeah absolutely yeah i mean

1263
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:46,160
that's a food source for a bear you know

1264
00:43:51,589 --> 00:43:47,920
a little kid that small

1265
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:51,599
i mean you know um and another thing is

1266
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:53,280
this time of year the bears are the

1267
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:54,000
black bears are

1268
00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:56,480
even hibernating you know so that's

1269
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:57,440
right

1270
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:59,680
you know they're not out and about very

1271
00:44:02,790 --> 00:44:01,440
rarely unless it's some kind of sick

1272
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:02,800
bear and if it would have been a sick

1273
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:03,760
rabbit bear

1274
00:44:08,069 --> 00:44:06,480
it would have uh took the kid out anyway

1275
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:08,079
so

1276
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:11,040
it does not make sense it was to me i

1277
00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:13,119
wholeheartedly think it was a bigfoot

1278
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:15,839
well you know that story and you know

1279
00:44:18,309 --> 00:44:16,400
when i

1280
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:18,319
first heard about that story then i

1281
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:20,400
heard about you know this uh

1282
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:23,359
teacher being mauled to death down there

1283
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:24,560
as well

1284
00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:26,880
you know i i don't know what the deal is

1285
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:28,880
with that but i you know i talked to

1286
00:44:34,550 --> 00:44:32,480
um i talked to one of the people that

1287
00:44:38,069 --> 00:44:34,560
was involved with the search

1288
00:44:41,109 --> 00:44:38,079
for this child and uh

1289
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:41,119
you know i i was trying to get someone

1290
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:43,119
who was involved with to give me the

1291
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:44,640
skinny on it

1292
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:48,000
and this guy was with one of the local

1293
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:49,359
authorities i mean he was

1294
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:51,760
you know one of the sheriff's office i

1295
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:53,680
believe that's what it was

1296
00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:56,640
and he told me he said you know there

1297
00:45:01,829 --> 00:44:58,240
was nobody out there looking for

1298
00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:01,839
bear you know when this kid you know

1299
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:04,160
after this kid was found

1300
00:45:07,990 --> 00:45:06,480
you know they wanted to look around they

1301
00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:08,000
were they were a lot of helicopter

1302
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:09,359
searches to see if there was

1303
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:11,680
you know what was going on and they

1304
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:13,920
weren't looking for a bear

1305
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:19,280
no so uh you know i i think it was in

1306
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:21,119
i thought it was interesting that they

1307
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:22,800
were actually following up

1308
00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:25,520
on this after the kid was found but

1309
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:26,319
apparently

1310
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:28,319
there were people interested in trying

1311
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:29,920
to get behind the story

1312
00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:31,760
you know i guess they probably would

1313
00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:32,960
have done that because

1314
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:35,520
uh say somebody would have kidnapped the

1315
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:36,079
kid

1316
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:38,240
and he they had told them but you know

1317
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:40,000
not saying and say look

1318
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:43,200
you know make up some story but

1319
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:44,640
you know i don't know i don't know what

1320
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:47,200
the situation was but he told me

1321
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:50,560
he said we were not looking for no bear

1322
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:52,560
so i don't i don't know i don't know

1323
00:45:57,589 --> 00:45:54,720
what to believe as far as that goes

1324
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:57,599
but it's an interesting story definitely

1325
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:58,240
interesting

1326
00:46:02,790 --> 00:46:00,640
and uh you know it goes back to that

1327
00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:02,800
that story way back in the 70s that

1328
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:04,240
little boy dennis

1329
00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:06,480
was kidnapped down there in tennessee

1330
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:07,599
yeah by

1331
00:46:11,589 --> 00:46:09,920
what reports you know people said was a

1332
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:11,599
large hairy man that had him over his

1333
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:14,160
shoulder and was running off with him

1334
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:16,319
you know yeah and they even had they had

1335
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:18,079
the green berets involved in that

1336
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:20,160
they they searched for this kid for

1337
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:22,000
weeks and weeks

1338
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:23,920
you know and he disappeared and his

1339
00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:25,920
family was right there

1340
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:29,440
yep like 20 yards away

1341
00:46:32,470 --> 00:46:31,440
so you know that's what i try to tell

1342
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:32,480
folks you know

1343
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:35,200
most people don't you know if most

1344
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:37,200
people live in suburban or city

1345
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:40,560
you know metropolitan areas

1346
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:42,400
i live out in the woods i could stand

1347
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:44,319
behind a tree beside your house

1348
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:45,760
and you would never know i was there

1349
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:47,599
because people got their heads buried in

1350
00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:49,680
their cell phones

1351
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:51,440
they're worried about their nine to five

1352
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:53,520
you know their jobs and the kids and the

1353
00:46:55,990 --> 00:46:54,720
family and all that

1354
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:56,000
they don't pay attention to their

1355
00:47:01,270 --> 00:46:58,319
surroundings and yeah

1356
00:47:03,430 --> 00:47:01,280
a creature is as uh intelligent as a

1357
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:03,440
bigfoot in my opinion could stand right

1358
00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:04,880
there and you'd never know it was there

1359
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:08,800
you know well i i tell you you know

1360
00:47:13,030 --> 00:47:10,800
it's funny you know several years ago

1361
00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:13,040
when david pilates

1362
00:47:17,349 --> 00:47:14,960
started reporting about the missing

1363
00:47:19,829 --> 00:47:17,359
4-1-1 and uh

1364
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:19,839
you know people disappearing in the in

1365
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:22,000
these national forests and state parks

1366
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:22,880
or

1367
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:27,040
federal lands and such and uh

1368
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:28,720
you know i got a bit of tiff with him

1369
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:30,400
because i hadn't mentioned something on

1370
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:31,760
the blog about

1371
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:35,200
well it was probably bigfoot that maybe

1372
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:36,880
abducted these people and he really got

1373
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:38,640
upset about that

1374
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:40,960
and i think he's kind of softened on

1375
00:47:44,309 --> 00:47:42,079
that stance

1376
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:44,319
i i think from the very beginning he

1377
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:46,240
didn't want people just thinking

1378
00:47:49,990 --> 00:47:48,480
off hand you know out of hand that it

1379
00:47:51,270 --> 00:47:50,000
was a bigfoot that he thought it was a

1380
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:51,280
bigfoot

1381
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:53,920
uh he really didn't want to give anybody

1382
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:55,119
any indication

1383
00:48:02,150 --> 00:47:58,319
of what he thought it was he was pretty

1384
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:05,190
i tell you unless the thing

1385
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:07,359
these kids were or people were abducted

1386
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:09,760
by aliens or fell into a portal of some

1387
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:10,960
type

1388
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:12,960
i i believe there was only one other

1389
00:48:16,630 --> 00:48:14,800
explanation

1390
00:48:18,390 --> 00:48:16,640
oh yeah i mean they would have found

1391
00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:18,400
them some of these people

1392
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:20,160
there's you know there's many different

1393
00:48:23,349 --> 00:48:21,440
things that could have happened with

1394
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:23,359
some of these people i mean

1395
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:25,359
because some of the stories are you know

1396
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:27,520
that that are in his books and stuff

1397
00:48:30,309 --> 00:48:28,800
are talking about people that just

1398
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:30,319
opened and vanished and their clothes

1399
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:30,880
were

1400
00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:33,359
sitting there right you know they got

1401
00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:35,440
sucked into something and then it left

1402
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:37,359
the clothes and they were gone

1403
00:48:41,910 --> 00:48:40,480
um or you know you know it could have

1404
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:41,920
been a mountain lion attack but they

1405
00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:42,640
would have found

1406
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:44,319
something of these people they never

1407
00:48:48,309 --> 00:48:46,559
found any you know most of those cases

1408
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:48,319
they never found a trace of these people

1409
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:49,200
other than

1410
00:48:52,870 --> 00:48:51,680
some of their clothes and whatnot yeah

1411
00:48:55,510 --> 00:48:52,880
if it was a mountain lion you'd have

1412
00:48:59,829 --> 00:48:55,520
found blood or tissue or something

1413
00:49:02,710 --> 00:48:59,839
and uh you know you know a bigfoot

1414
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:02,720
if the person wasn't really that big or

1415
00:49:04,549 --> 00:49:03,839
caused that much probably they could

1416
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:04,559
have

1417
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:06,880
grabbed them put them over her shoulder

1418
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:08,720
and kept them quiet and took them right

1419
00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:11,040
out of there and not even know about it

1420
00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:14,400
yep so i don't know

1421
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:16,240
you know it's one of those things i

1422
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:18,720
guess it's just another mystery

1423
00:49:21,910 --> 00:49:20,880
uh you know i've been involved i'm

1424
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:21,920
actually

1425
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:24,000
in the process of writing a book about

1426
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:26,640
alien disclosure right now

1427
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:29,200
and i look at some of the uh some of the

1428
00:49:35,190 --> 00:49:31,760
abduction reports

1429
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:35,200
that i have received over the years

1430
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:40,400
and quite frankly if it wasn't

1431
00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:43,200
you know some type of anecdotal evidence

1432
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:44,160
or

1433
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:49,680
abductees that these were actual

1434
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:52,400
otherworldly beings or some type of

1435
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:53,920
alien that was involved with the

1436
00:49:58,870 --> 00:49:55,200
abduction

1437
00:50:03,829 --> 00:49:58,880
it could have very easily been a bigfoot

1438
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:03,839
oh yeah absolutely so um

1439
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:05,599
i don't know you know i i don't know

1440
00:50:09,910 --> 00:50:06,880
what to think about that

1441
00:50:11,829 --> 00:50:09,920
you know i guess it's uh it's

1442
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:11,839
it's really hard to talk about sometimes

1443
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:13,040
because you know

1444
00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:15,119
if people think you're absolutely crazy

1445
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:16,960
you know when i put it in the blog i

1446
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:18,240
i like to get it where people are going

1447
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:20,640
to give me their ideas about it

1448
00:50:26,069 --> 00:50:23,040
uh and believe me i get i get all kinds

1449
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:26,079
of crazy responses sometimes but uh

1450
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:29,200
oh everybody has their own opinions yeah

1451
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:30,880
you know it just is what it is but

1452
00:50:34,309 --> 00:50:32,880
that's you know that's what makes it all

1453
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:34,319
worth it you know

1454
00:50:37,990 --> 00:50:36,960
sharing folks sharing their ideas their

1455
00:50:39,750 --> 00:50:38,000
opinions

1456
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:39,760
and that's what we have to do more of

1457
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:41,280
you know come together

1458
00:50:45,829 --> 00:50:44,160
as a collective so to speak and uh and

1459
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:45,839
and maybe it'll help us advance

1460
00:50:50,549 --> 00:50:48,640
you know to the next level somehow um it

1461
00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:50,559
might take many years but

1462
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:52,079
you know by people talking and

1463
00:50:56,710 --> 00:50:54,960
brainstorming and sharing ideas opinions

1464
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:56,720
and counter sightings the whole nine

1465
00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:57,440
yards

1466
00:51:00,870 --> 00:50:59,920
you know then we can you know formulate

1467
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:00,880
opinions and

1468
00:51:06,549 --> 00:51:04,160
and formulate different uh you know

1469
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:06,559
theories and whatnot and pursue those

1470
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:07,200
things and

1471
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:09,359
hopefully that'll lead to something more

1472
00:51:13,349 --> 00:51:10,319
you know

1473
00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:13,359
yeah i wish there was more cooperation

1474
00:51:16,950 --> 00:51:16,000
you know as far as the a lot of these

1475
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:16,960
investigators

1476
00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:19,280
especially in the bigfoot community i

1477
00:51:22,150 --> 00:51:20,319
mean it's

1478
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:22,160
it does seem that some people are very

1479
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:23,839
reluctant to help

1480
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:25,760
i mean for the most part people that i

1481
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:28,800
know or who i've worked with

1482
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:31,440
are are pretty cooperative and and free

1483
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:33,040
with their information

1484
00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:34,079
but of course you're going to have

1485
00:51:36,870 --> 00:51:35,440
people out there not going to do that

1486
00:51:39,190 --> 00:51:36,880
and that's like

1487
00:51:40,230 --> 00:51:39,200
any any part of the paranormal world you

1488
00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:40,240
know you're going to get people that

1489
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:41,760
just want to hold stuff to their best

1490
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:42,480
and

1491
00:51:52,150 --> 00:51:49,200
roy doesn't help anybody no

1492
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:52,160
it's bad in in that situation you know

1493
00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:53,680
and there's many reasons for that

1494
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:55,040
because there's so much uh

1495
00:51:58,390 --> 00:51:57,839
copying and thievery that goes on people

1496
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:58,400
you know

1497
00:52:01,670 --> 00:52:00,240
people get really upset and stuff they

1498
00:52:04,150 --> 00:52:01,680
think they own an area

1499
00:52:06,309 --> 00:52:04,160
or they own a particular topic and you

1500
00:52:08,309 --> 00:52:06,319
know it's just real touchy touchy in

1501
00:52:09,990 --> 00:52:08,319
some aspects and it's a shame that it's

1502
00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:10,000
that bad but that's just the nature of

1503
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:11,119
it you know

1504
00:52:14,630 --> 00:52:13,440
um i try to help you know as many people

1505
00:52:17,910 --> 00:52:14,640
as i can

1506
00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:17,920
i always have you know and to me that's

1507
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:19,680
what what it's all about you know but

1508
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:21,119
unfortunately you got a lot of

1509
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:27,109
you know either better there's just

1510
00:52:31,349 --> 00:52:29,680
outright blatant stealing and copying of

1511
00:52:32,549 --> 00:52:31,359
people's material which i don't you know

1512
00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:32,559
that's to me that's just

1513
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:35,440
ridiculous but yeah i fight that every

1514
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:37,520
day unfortunately

1515
00:52:43,990 --> 00:52:40,720
yeah i know exactly how that goes

1516
00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:44,000
but you know i i i think well i mean you

1517
00:52:46,150 --> 00:52:45,520
know i've known you for a while and

1518
00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:46,160
david

1519
00:52:49,990 --> 00:52:47,839
weatherly and all and i you know a lot

1520
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:50,000
of the a lot it seems like there's

1521
00:52:55,109 --> 00:52:53,040
a certain click of investigators

1522
00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:55,119
that don't have any problems sharing

1523
00:52:58,710 --> 00:52:57,040
information with each other and

1524
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:58,720
you know i'm glad to be a part of that

1525
00:53:01,990 --> 00:53:00,480
you know in fact

1526
00:53:04,870 --> 00:53:02,000
you're going to be and you're going to

1527
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:04,880
be a part of the pennsylvania

1528
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:08,400
bigfoot uh camping adventure in

1529
00:53:13,589 --> 00:53:11,760
may in june so uh i'll get

1530
00:53:15,510 --> 00:53:13,599
i'll be able to get to meet you and a

1531
00:53:18,069 --> 00:53:15,520
lot of other people

1532
00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:18,079
uh that should be an interesting and

1533
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:19,920
interesting get together

1534
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:21,599
oh yeah there's a lot of a lot of great

1535
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:23,040
people going through that thing

1536
00:53:26,309 --> 00:53:24,960
and i'm look really looking forward to

1537
00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:26,319
it i know you were there

1538
00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:28,160
last time and we kind of missed each

1539
00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:30,319
other or whatever and

1540
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:32,800
um you know it was bad weather it was

1541
00:53:36,230 --> 00:53:34,370
raining the whole time it was terrible

1542
00:53:38,309 --> 00:53:36,240
[Laughter]

1543
00:53:39,990 --> 00:53:38,319
it was a good time though and i'm sure

1544
00:53:41,829 --> 00:53:40,000
it's going to be even better this time i

1545
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:41,839
mean eric's doing a phenomenal job

1546
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:43,440
putting that thing together and he's got

1547
00:53:49,109 --> 00:53:45,839
a lot of top-notch people there

1548
00:53:51,270 --> 00:53:49,119
and i i'm really looking forward to that

1549
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:51,280
yeah i suggest anybody that's interested

1550
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:52,880
in in bigfoot

1551
00:53:56,069 --> 00:53:55,440
and it was not that far for you to go i

1552
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:56,079
i suggest

1553
00:54:00,870 --> 00:53:59,280
you make the trip because it's um i

1554
00:54:02,390 --> 00:54:00,880
i think it'd be well worth your effort

1555
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:02,400
because they're going to be a lot of

1556
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:04,079
people there i mean a lot of people that

1557
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:05,280
are involved with

1558
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:07,680
big foot research and other other

1559
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:08,400
cryptid

1560
00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:12,000
research as well um

1561
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:13,839
yeah it's gonna be it's it's gonna be a

1562
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:16,319
good time for all i'm quite sure

1563
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:19,440
so uh dave people want to get in contact

1564
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:20,000
with you

1565
00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:25,520
how can they contact you and working to

1566
00:54:32,910 --> 00:54:26,960
get your book

1567
00:54:36,150 --> 00:54:34,390
www.davespinxparanormalinvestigator.com

1568
00:54:38,230 --> 00:54:36,160
you can if you have a signing or

1569
00:54:38,950 --> 00:54:38,240
encounter you'd like to report there's a

1570
00:54:41,670 --> 00:54:38,960
there's a

1571
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:41,680
contact page on there and you can uh

1572
00:54:45,910 --> 00:54:43,760
share your report right to my email

1573
00:54:47,670 --> 00:54:45,920
and i'll get in touch with you love to

1574
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:47,680
hear them you know i'd love to hear

1575
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:49,200
people's sightings and encounters and

1576
00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:51,280
even thoughts and ideas on on all

1577
00:54:55,510 --> 00:54:52,960
aspects of the paranormal

1578
00:54:56,549 --> 00:54:55,520
you can get my book off of amazon just

1579
00:54:58,309 --> 00:54:56,559
type in the name

1580
00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:58,319
west virginia bigfoot or my name and

1581
00:55:01,910 --> 00:54:59,680
it'll pop up in the

1582
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:01,920
authors and books section or if you want

1583
00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:05,359
to sign copy you can go to my paypal

1584
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:07,920
it's pay it's paypal dot me slap

1585
00:55:12,309 --> 00:55:09,839
backslash

1586
00:55:12,870 --> 00:55:12,319
dave spinks and you can get a signed

1587
00:55:15,430 --> 00:55:12,880
copy

1588
00:55:16,069 --> 00:55:15,440
it's uh 18 it tells you all that on

1589
00:55:19,109 --> 00:55:16,079
there

1590
00:55:21,670 --> 00:55:19,119
uh 18 and that covers shipping as well

1591
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:21,680
um the price of the book and shipping so

1592
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:23,200
yeah if you'd like a signed copy just

1593
00:55:26,230 --> 00:55:24,720
get with me and uh

1594
00:55:28,470 --> 00:55:26,240
and you can get you can see on my

1595
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:28,480
website other items i have available

1596
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:31,440
um that i've been in like the seth

1597
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:33,680
breedloves flatwoods monster legacy of

1598
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:34,640
fear movie

1599
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:36,240
if you want a signed copy of that i can

1600
00:55:40,789 --> 00:55:38,640
hook you up with that um got a new book

1601
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:40,799
coming out on west virginia ghosts and

1602
00:55:44,950 --> 00:55:41,680
hauntings

1603
00:55:46,950 --> 00:55:44,960
any day now in the next whatever several

1604
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:46,960
weeks anytime it could drop from the

1605
00:55:52,789 --> 00:55:50,160
publisher so i'm excited about that

1606
00:55:54,470 --> 00:55:52,799
basically that book is covering it's a

1607
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:54,480
series of books actually and it's going

1608
00:55:57,030 --> 00:55:55,200
to have at least

1609
00:55:58,470 --> 00:55:57,040
one encounter an investigation from

1610
00:56:01,109 --> 00:55:58,480
every single county

1611
00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:01,119
in west virginia which is 55 counties

1612
00:56:06,870 --> 00:56:03,280
and of course some counties have

1613
00:56:08,069 --> 00:56:06,880
um multiple uh investigations i've done

1614
00:56:10,789 --> 00:56:08,079
over the years

1615
00:56:12,069 --> 00:56:10,799
uh in the state and uh so it i'm really

1616
00:56:14,470 --> 00:56:12,079
looking forward to that that's

1617
00:56:16,230 --> 00:56:14,480
that's volume one of a probably a five

1618
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:16,240
book series i'm doing because i've done

1619
00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:17,040
so much here in

1620
00:56:21,510 --> 00:56:19,200
the state of west virginia so i'm super

1621
00:56:24,549 --> 00:56:21,520
stoked about that

1622
00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:24,559
you know the moniker for west virginia

1623
00:56:27,589 --> 00:56:26,160
is wild and wonderful

1624
00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:27,599
but i'll be honest with you i've always

1625
00:56:32,549 --> 00:56:30,240
considered more weird and woolly because

1626
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:32,559
it's uh

1627
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:34,319
there's just so much going on in the

1628
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:35,760
state of west virginia

1629
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:38,880
oh yeah man i mean uh i you know i i

1630
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:41,200
i recollect west virginia to be almost

1631
00:56:44,069 --> 00:56:42,079
like the pacific

1632
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:44,079
northwest of the east coast in a lot of

1633
00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:45,119
aspects with the big

1634
00:56:49,309 --> 00:56:47,440
foot sightings i mean it's crazy and

1635
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:49,319
there's sightings that go back to the

1636
00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:51,359
1700s here man

1637
00:56:54,549 --> 00:56:52,799
you know that have been reported in

1638
00:56:56,549 --> 00:56:54,559
church uh church

1639
00:56:57,589 --> 00:56:56,559
script you know they in the old days

1640
00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:57,599
they used to report

1641
00:57:01,109 --> 00:56:59,280
sightings and stuff and crazy stuff in

1642
00:57:03,349 --> 00:57:01,119
the church logs

1643
00:57:04,470 --> 00:57:03,359
and um before the newspapers were big

1644
00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:04,480
and everything

1645
00:57:09,670 --> 00:57:07,440
so lots of logger reports from the early

1646
00:57:13,270 --> 00:57:09,680
days and early 1900s

1647
00:57:15,349 --> 00:57:13,280
um loggers being attacked by a

1648
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:15,359
large ape-like men they called it you

1649
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:17,760
know and all kinds of crazy stuff

1650
00:57:22,710 --> 00:57:20,880
so uh um also

1651
00:57:24,549 --> 00:57:22,720
society's supernatural me and weatherly

1652
00:57:26,069 --> 00:57:24,559
are putting on an event an event at my

1653
00:57:28,470 --> 00:57:26,079
haunted house in indiana

1654
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:28,480
known as willow's weep we've got the

1655
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:30,960
honda collector john zaphis will be our

1656
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:31,440
featured

1657
00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:35,040
speaker there june 21st and 22nd

1658
00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:37,280
tickets are on sale for that now for

1659
00:57:40,789 --> 00:57:38,640
vendor tables

1660
00:57:43,349 --> 00:57:40,799
and the friday night ghost hunt with me

1661
00:57:45,750 --> 00:57:43,359
weatherly and zappos at the house

1662
00:57:46,789 --> 00:57:45,760
um going to be a really cool thing man

1663
00:57:50,789 --> 00:57:46,799
this house is

1664
00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:50,799
unlike any other you've ever heard of

1665
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:52,559
just a phenomenal thing we got a book

1666
00:57:57,670 --> 00:57:55,200
coming out on it later this year

1667
00:57:59,190 --> 00:57:57,680
um telling the story and all the all the

1668
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:59,200
deaths and stuff that have occurred in

1669
00:58:02,789 --> 00:58:00,000
this house it's

1670
00:58:03,190 --> 00:58:02,799
just crazy and uh looking forward to

1671
00:58:05,109 --> 00:58:03,200
that

1672
00:58:07,030 --> 00:58:05,119
as well so you can go to our society

1673
00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:07,040
supernatural facebook page

1674
00:58:11,190 --> 00:58:08,640
go to the events and you can order

1675
00:58:14,309 --> 00:58:11,200
tickets now early bird special you'll

1676
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:14,319
save money if you order them now

1677
00:58:19,030 --> 00:58:17,280
well i have to get you to come back a

1678
00:58:20,710 --> 00:58:19,040
little bit down the road here and we can

1679
00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:20,720
talk about all that

1680
00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:23,680
yeah let's do it okay dave well thanks

1681
00:58:27,829 --> 00:58:24,640
again for uh

1682
00:58:29,510 --> 00:58:27,839
for being on the show and uh i'll talk

1683
00:58:31,510 --> 00:58:29,520
to you when i see you

1684
00:58:32,710 --> 00:58:31,520
up all right pennsylvania and uh you

1685
00:58:34,789 --> 00:58:32,720
take care

1686
00:58:38,069 --> 00:58:34,799
hey you too thanks for having me okay

1687
00:58:39,829 --> 00:58:38,079
now have a good night

1688
00:58:42,150 --> 00:58:39,839
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1690
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1691
00:58:49,750 --> 00:58:46,319
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00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:49,760
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1693
00:58:53,270 --> 00:58:51,359
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1694
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now if you have an unexplained encounter

1695
00:58:56,549 --> 00:58:54,559
or sighting

1696
00:58:58,470 --> 00:58:56,559
feel free to contact me through phantoms

1697
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:58,480
and monsters blog site

1698
00:59:02,309 --> 00:59:00,400
i want to again thank dave spinks for

1699
00:59:04,549 --> 00:59:02,319
joining me this evening

1700
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:04,559
and i want to thank you for listening to

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00:59:16,829 --> 00:59:05,520
the show

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00:59:16,839 --> 00:59:54,490
weekend